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Olympia God **Joined:** 09 Aug 2004 **Posts:** 3314

AmericanMuscle84 wrote:

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I don't see this as a religious issue per se, it is about what is acceptable behaviour and what is not. Just because you have entrenched the right to free speech, does not make it acceptable for people to make statements or enact scenarios that offend large segments of the population. This is more an issue of morality and it seems to me the majority of people would find this comedic bit to be immoral and therefore unacceptable in a civilized society.

Obviously you missed my point. It is his right to say what he wants, if he wants to say the virgin marry was a $lut, that's his perogative. No where do you have the right to not be offended, and would you care to guess why?

No, I don't get your point but just because he has the right, doesn't mean he should exercise it.

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bigstabile wrote:

imadad2 wrote:

The National News Must be Mistaken as Well

Have a feeling you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Huh? What's that article supposed to show? That foxnews can find a bunch of people conected to the Catholic Church?. Were you under the impression that I thought you were to only person who is offended by it?

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During Sunday's episode, David, who created, wrote and produced "Seinfeld," visits a bathroom in his assistant's home and splatters urine on a picture of Jesus. Instead of wiping it off, David leaves the restroom. Minutes later, David's assistant enters the bathroom and concludes that Jesus is crying. She then summons her mother to the bathroom, where both women kneel in prayer.

The episode, "The Bare Midriff," primarily revolves around David's assistant and her belly-revealing attire. According to the show's Web site, a "new pill" increased David's urine flow, leading to the "misunderstanding about a miraculously weeping Jesus."

Really? That's what happened and what you guys are getting so worked up about?

I was under the impression that he intentionally peed on it, not that he accidentally sprayed on it. This is rediculous and further cements my opinion that this country just needs something to whine about.

The joke/point is obviously about what passes as a miracle, not intentionally peeing and desicrating the image of Jesus. I don't know how you can read into it some other way.

Thank you from proving my point. This is just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Don't go off in another direction. You clearly wrote that he (Larry David) did not accidentaly urinate on a picture of Jesus. You stated that it was an image of Jesus only because we believe what Larry David told us. I included this article to show you that even the press acknowledges it was a picture of Jesus.

Now I am arguing for the sake of arguing because of what you wrote telling me it was not an image of Jesus it was just a guy with long hair.

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Why shouldn't he? Because he offended somebody? He has the right, and he does so. If it bothers enough people, and they stop going to his show, he then loses money and is forced either into retirement or to find something else which will continue to carry the mistake he made. His choices will effect him. See how America works? It may work against him, it may not, but he has the right to make that choice. People need to stop infringing on the constititution and the rights we are entitled to. If your offended, and I apologize for him if y ou are, then change the channel and don't watch his show.

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imadad2 wrote:

bigstabile wrote:

imadad2 wrote:

The National News Must be Mistaken as Well

Have a feeling you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Huh? What's that article supposed to show? That foxnews can find a bunch of people conected to the Catholic Church?. Were you under the impression that I thought you were to only person who is offended by it?

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During Sunday's episode, David, who created, wrote and produced "Seinfeld," visits a bathroom in his assistant's home and splatters urine on a picture of Jesus. Instead of wiping it off, David leaves the restroom. Minutes later, David's assistant enters the bathroom and concludes that Jesus is crying. She then summons her mother to the bathroom, where both women kneel in prayer.

The episode, "The Bare Midriff," primarily revolves around David's assistant and her belly-revealing attire. According to the show's Web site, a "new pill" increased David's urine flow, leading to the "misunderstanding about a miraculously weeping Jesus."

Really? That's what happened and what you guys are getting so worked up about?

I was under the impression that he intentionally peed on it, not that he accidentally sprayed on it. This is rediculous and further cements my opinion that this country just needs something to whine about.

The joke/point is obviously about what passes as a miracle, not intentionally peeing and desicrating the image of Jesus. I don't know how you can read into it some other way.

Thank you from proving my point. This is just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Don't go off in another direction. You clearly wrote that he (Larry David) did not accidentaly urinate on a picture of Jesus. You stated that it was an image of Jesus only because we believe what Larry David told us. I included this article to show you that even the press acknowledges it was a picture of Jesus.

Now I am arguing for the sake of arguing because of what you wrote telling me it was not an image of Jesus it was just a guy with long hair.

What are you talking about? I didn't state any of that.

I said, and I quote,

"Can it be called a painting of Jesus when there is a 100% chance that the subject of the painting was the exact opposite of who it was supposed to represent?

It would be like one of you guys drawing a picture of "me" and pissing on it. You don't know what I look like, so it's impossible for you to paint a picture of me. It's only "me" because you say it's "me". Just like it was only a portrait of Jesus because whoever said it was. I've got news for you, it wasn't really a picture of Jesus and the only way it can be offensive is if YOU treat it like it was. The morons who are offended are the very people giving it the power to be offensive. Otherwise it was just a painting of a white dude with long hair. "

I wasn't making the argument that it wasn't a depiction of Jesus. I was pointing out that it wasn't really a picture of Jesus. Jesus wasn't a white guy. You guys ran with that.

Mainly I was befuddled that you guys would give so much power to Larry David to offend you even when I thought he intentionally peed on the painting. Now that I've realized that the episode was based on him accidentally peeing on the painting makes it even more rediculous.

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AmericanMuscle84 wrote:

Why shouldn't he? Because he offended somebody? He has the right, and he does so. If it bothers enough people, and they stop going to his show, he then loses money and is forced either into retirement or to find something else which will continue to carry the mistake he made. His choices will effect him. See how America works? It may work against him, it may not, but he has the right to make that choice. People need to stop infringing on the constititution and the rights we are entitled to. If your offended, and I apologize for him if y ou are, then change the channel and don't watch his show.

I think we've come to the same conclusion - he is free to express his opinion, however ill-advised, but he should be prepared to suffer the consequences. But I shake my head in disbelief of anyone who thought this wouldn't get a huge negative reaction. And rightly so - Larry David has "pushed the envelope" too far this time and has gone way beyond the boundary of decency.

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bigstabile wrote:

imadad2 wrote:

bigstabile wrote:

imadad2 wrote:

The National News Must be Mistaken as Well

Have a feeling you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

Huh? What's that article supposed to show? That foxnews can find a bunch of people conected to the Catholic Church?. Were you under the impression that I thought you were to only person who is offended by it?

Quote:

During Sunday's episode, David, who created, wrote and produced "Seinfeld," visits a bathroom in his assistant's home and splatters urine on a picture of Jesus. Instead of wiping it off, David leaves the restroom. Minutes later, David's assistant enters the bathroom and concludes that Jesus is crying. She then summons her mother to the bathroom, where both women kneel in prayer.

The episode, "The Bare Midriff," primarily revolves around David's assistant and her belly-revealing attire. According to the show's Web site, a "new pill" increased David's urine flow, leading to the "misunderstanding about a miraculously weeping Jesus."

Really? That's what happened and what you guys are getting so worked up about?

I was under the impression that he intentionally peed on it, not that he accidentally sprayed on it. This is rediculous and further cements my opinion that this country just needs something to whine about.

The joke/point is obviously about what passes as a miracle, not intentionally peeing and desicrating the image of Jesus. I don't know how you can read into it some other way.

Thank you from proving my point. This is just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Don't go off in another direction. You clearly wrote that he (Larry David) did not accidentaly urinate on a picture of Jesus. You stated that it was an image of Jesus only because we believe what Larry David told us. I included this article to show you that even the press acknowledges it was a picture of Jesus.

Now I am arguing for the sake of arguing because of what you wrote telling me it was not an image of Jesus it was just a guy with long hair.

What are you talking about? I didn't state any of that.

I said, and I quote,

"Can it be called a painting of Jesus when there is a 100% chance that the subject of the painting was the exact opposite of who it was supposed to represent?

It would be like one of you guys drawing a picture of "me" and pissing on it. You don't know what I look like, so it's impossible for you to paint a picture of me. It's only "me" because you say it's "me". Just like it was only a portrait of Jesus because whoever said it was. I've got news for you, it wasn't really a picture of Jesus and the only way it can be offensive is if YOU treat it like it was. The morons who are offended are the very people giving it the power to be offensive. Otherwise it was just a painting of a white dude with long hair. "

I wasn't making the argument that it wasn't a depiction of Jesus. I was pointing out that it wasn't really a picture of Jesus. Jesus wasn't a white guy. You guys ran with that.

Mainly I was befuddled that you guys would give so much power to Larry David to offend you even when I thought he intentionally peed on the painting. Now that I've realized that the episode was based on him accidentally peeing on the painting makes it even more rediculous.

You did not write this?

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I used to be a church going person, in fact I went to Catholic school for 12 years. Then I had a few realizations about the Catholic church and organized religions in general that made me reconsider. I consider myself to be a very moral person and I believe I was able to take the lessons I learned to simply be a good person.

Personally I think it's pretty stupid to get worked up about Larry David pretending to accidentally pee on a depiction of Jesus. It's pretty easy to ignore it rather then burning the calories getting upset about a TV show. In the end, you are allowed to be offended by it. I really don't care. Just like you have the right to be offended, TV shows have the right to offend. You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to watch. Taking away his right to make jokes at the Catholic churches expense is a slippery slope. Personally I'd rather just use my ability to not tune into something that offends me rather then prevent someone from being offensive. I'm not a fan of the show and this whole thing doesn't effect me either way. However, I know there are things that I enjoy that others don't and I don't want that stuff being taken away from me because some group out there doesn't like it.

By the way, I just want to clear one thing up. I'm not ok with people burning the flag.

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I don't recall anyone suggesting Larry David be censored, we're just questioning his sensibilities and morality, which have obviously gone missing because all he's done is stir a hornet's nest.

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Calling people, who are religious or not religious, that are offended by the initial impression of the pissing episode morons was not cool.

I don't think anyone is talking about censorship here.

If I ever saw somebody pissing on the "imaginary" image of somebody, to get a laugh out of like minded people, would be offensive even if I hated the person or the idea of that person. I don't think that makes me a moron. It makes me stand up for what I think is right or wrong, and that's clearly wrong.

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bigstabile wrote:

I used to be a church going person, in fact I went to Catholic school for 12 years. Then I had a few realizations about the Catholic church and organized religions in general that made me reconsider. I consider myself to be a very moral person and I believe I was able to take the lessons I learned to simply be a good person.

Personally I think it's pretty stupid to get worked up about Larry David pretending to accidentally pee on a depiction of Jesus. It's pretty easy to ignore it rather then burning the calories getting upset about a TV show. In the end, you are allowed to be offended by it. I really don't care. Just like you have the right to be offended, TV shows have the right to offend. You don't have to like it, but you also don't have to watch. Taking away his right to make jokes at the Catholic churches expense is a slippery slope. Personally I'd rather just use my ability to not tune into something that offends me rather then prevent someone from being offensive. I'm not a fan of the show and this whole thing doesn't effect me either way. However, I know there are things that I enjoy that others don't and I don't want that stuff being taken away from me because some group out there doesn't like it.

By the way, I just want to clear one thing up. I'm not ok with people burning the flag.

My biggest beef was with you saying it was not a picture of Jesus. I would not consider myself "worked up" about a show I have never seen. In fact this is the only place I have ever voiced my opinion on the matter. I decided to not watch Seinfeld and anything else associated with the guy and that is it. I am not taking to the streets, screaming the guy should be fired, screaming his show should be cancelled, or any of that. He'll cut his own throat by going "over the line" with his jokes. Imus lost his job for saying "Nappy Headed Hoe" on the air. I am not black and I was offended by it. Should he lose his job? No, if his ratings dropped because of it then he would have. I like having discussions with you, because you do not start the name calling and are willing to respond to posts. We may never get on the same page, but I hope discussions like this help others see both sides.

I am done with this unless you want to keep at it.

BTW, I have disillusions about Catholic Church too. I have been going to one for almost 15 years now. I attended a Methodist church for the first 10 years of my life, then an interdenominational church, and now catholic. All of them have their flaws and hypocrites. That is another thread though.

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TYLER1 wrote:

Calling people, who are religious or not religious, that are offended by the initial impression of the pissing episode morons was not cool.

I don't think anyone is talking about censorship here.

If I ever saw somebody pissing on the "imaginary" image of somebody, to get a laugh out of like minded people, would be offensive even if I hated the person or the idea of that person. I don't think that makes me a moron. It makes me stand up for what I think is right or wrong, and that's clearly wrong.

Don't you see that you are the exact person Larry David made that episode for? You being so offended by it plays right into his hands. It's beyond me why you would give someone who is out to push your buttons that kind of power over you. You might say it's moronic.

I'm sure there is something in the Bible about ignoring things like this

Whatever. You guys can spend your time being offended by crap that doesn't matter. I like to engage in these debates while I'm at work, it makes time go faster. I really don't care whose depiction Larry David pees on, he's an actor and he doesn't effect my life in any way. If you are offended by me, then you are a moron.

And it wasn't a picture of Jesus. It was a depiction. There's a difference.

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bigstabile wrote:

TYLER1 wrote:

Calling people, who are religious or not religious, that are offended by the initial impression of the pissing episode morons was not cool.

I don't think anyone is talking about censorship here.

If I ever saw somebody pissing on the "imaginary" image of somebody, to get a laugh out of like minded people, would be offensive even if I hated the person or the idea of that person. I don't think that makes me a moron. It makes me stand up for what I think is right or wrong, and that's clearly wrong.

Don't you see that you are the exact person Larry David made that episode for? You being so offended by it plays right into his hands. It's beyond me why you would give someone who is out to push your buttons that kind of power over you. You might say it's moronic.

I'm sure there is something in the Bible about ignoring things like this

Whatever. You guys can spend your time being offended by crap that doesn't matter. I just like to engage in these debates while I'm at work, it makes time go faster. If you are offended by me, then you are a moron.

And it wasn't a picture of Jesus. It was a depiction. There's a difference.

I'm posting this as light hearted as I can, cause from what i've seen you're a good dude, and it does matter, and if we registered at SM you know where we live Smile

. The christ puncher thing got to me more than the moron deal. You care about the guys on the site more than passing work time, you're on here as much as us.

I didn't really give a hoot about the pissing thing till you called me a moron. Why wouldn't we be offended you dick? I can be, and voice it, and when you call us for it, so be it. When you tie in the football league name with this other crap I started thinking bull...why should I ignore it.

Yep, bigs I got offended and I'm a moron for it holmes . My golden retriver would kick your dogs a... no your dog would kill him, who am i kidding. Smile

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