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Pencil Neck **Joined:** 20 Jun 2009 **Posts:** 403

I actually would like to contract this virus. I want to see what the big deal is all about so I can call everyone a wuss when I kick it over with nothing but Motrin and ground beef.

Olympia God **Joined:** 03 May 2006 **Posts:** 3086

GJM_3 wrote:

JP wrote:

''why wouldnt you get it, its just a vacine ''

Why would you get it in the first place, vacine are a pretty modern creation. Lot of people from our cultures or other cultures lived long life before this ''miracle'' was created. Im def not getting it.

I know, that's what I mean. And there are a lot of people who live full healthy lives NOW and don't ever get vaccinated.

Like me!

I totally agree with you JP, I haven't been vaccinated and I'm massively against them. Funny how a vaccine for H1N1 has come out and now the virus is suddenly even worse and spreading more and more!

I realise that everyone is entitled to their own decisions, even more so when it comes to their children, but it bothers me that the governments and drug companies use scare tactics to push vaccines on the public.....vaccines that people really don't even need!

I remember some years back in the UK the government flooded the TV with advertisements about a polio and whooping cough epedemic heading for the UK. I remember that the ad was really scary, talking about people dying etc and telling everyone to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Everyone rushed to get the vaccines....guess what....it was never coming and it never happened, the truth.......they had a massive batch of millions of these vaccines that were due to go out of date and they didn't want them to be wasted!!!!

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On a side note, Vitamin D IS stored in the body. All of the fat soluble vitamins are stored in the body (primarily adipose tissue and the liver). The best form to supplement (as previously mentioned) is D3, cholecalciferol. Fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K) have a much greater potential for toxicity since they are stored in the body. Much less with the others (water soluble) because they are excreted in urine.

I do supplement with Vit. D because in a routine lab with my physician I came out with low levels. Also as previously mentioned Vit. D deficiency can lead to a whole host of problems/diseases later in life. Just be careful because there is possibility of toxicity. Mega dosing for people with current illnesses is different from mega dosing in apparently healthy people. Just a thought.

And if you are supplementing Vit. D just make sure to consume it with dietary fat (right after a meal), otherwise you're just producing expensive urine Very Happy

Olympia God **Joined:** 09 Aug 2004 **Posts:** 3314

Maybe people missed the part of the article in which it states there's no proof flu vaccines work.

Helen, why not just avoid visiting the baby until the flu season has passed. I know Doctors say the mercury in the vaccine won't cause any harm, however your body cannot eliminate mercury naturally so it stays in your system forever and with successive vaccines it accumulates. The risks outweigh the benefits as no one knows if the vaccine will work nor do they know the longterm side effects.

GJM - your 1 year old is better off not having the vaccine. Consider that the southern hemisphere has already seen the worst of H1N1 and there's no reports of infant mortality among 1/4 of the world's population, some of which are the poorest on the planet.

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Pencil Neck **Joined:** 10 May 2006 **Posts:** 230

GD - I just read an article in yesterdays SUN that health officials were worried they were going to have TOO MUCH of the flu vaccine left over. Interesting how hysteria can be created, seemingly to con people into getting the vaccine. (much like Fever was saying earlier in a post)

Olympia God **Joined:** 12 Oct 2004 **Posts:** 3841

The Ukraine just closed schools, cinema's and banned public gatherings...

Whether it be justified or not i could see this getting messy.

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Olympia God **Joined:** 22 Aug 2003 **Posts:** 4331

I believe in being vacinations, but I do not believe that the Swine Flu is all that serious of a health problem. I think Governments have hyped this way beyound reality.

I may know of a friend of a friend that has the Swine Flu, but they are not really sure. A small amount of people have died compared to the regular seasonal flu. I have not taken a flu shot since I retired from the Army. I use to get sick every year when given the flu shot. I have not been sick with anything like the flu since I retired.

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Pencil Neck **Joined:** 18 Sep 2009 **Posts:** 76

Rev wrote:

A small amount of people have died compared to the regular seasonal flu.

This is incorrect. According to Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University, new estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza.

Charles Chiu, a principal investigator at UC San Francisco whose lab studies emerging pathogens, including the 2009 H1N1 virus, said that the regular flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine are both made in precisely the same way and have the same level of risk. That risk is far outweighed by the danger of contracting the flu, he said.

Did any of you who fear the swine flu vaccine get the seasonal flu vaccine? Maybe you should reconsider your logic.

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Olympia God **Joined:** 09 Aug 2004 **Posts:** 3314

all the stats for the flu vaccines are skewed to show a more favorable outcome than actually exists. Flu vaccines have not been proven to be effective. I have not gotten one since 1999, when I worked at Sick Children's Hospital and I only got it out of concern for the patients.

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snorkelman wrote:

Rev wrote:

A small amount of people have died compared to the regular seasonal flu.

This is incorrect. According to Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University, new estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza.

Charles Chiu, a principal investigator at UC San Francisco whose lab studies emerging pathogens, including the 2009 H1N1 virus, said that the regular flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine are both made in precisely the same way and have the same level of risk. That risk is far outweighed by the danger of contracting the flu, he said.

Did any of you who fear the swine flu vaccine get the seasonal flu vaccine? Maybe you should reconsider your logic.

Sorry the good doctor is one of the fear mongers. The key word is estimates. Every estimate made so far has been high by quite a high factor. Numbers are numbers. We average over 36,000 deaths a year to seasonal flu. The swine flu is no where near that pace. This is an astro trufed crisis.

I have nothing against being vacinated. I don't think the vacine is dangerous in the least. This is nothing like in the 1970's when we had a flu that the vacine killed more people than even contracted the flu.

Rev

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Gym Rat **Joined:** 24 Jun 2008 **Posts:** 629

snorkelman wrote:

Rev wrote:

A small amount of people have died compared to the regular seasonal flu.

This is incorrect. According to Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University, new estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza.

Charles Chiu, a principal investigator at UC San Francisco whose lab studies emerging pathogens, including the 2009 H1N1 virus, said that the regular flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine are both made in precisely the same way and have the same level of risk. That risk is far outweighed by the danger of contracting the flu, he said.

Did any of you who fear the swine flu vaccine get the seasonal flu vaccine? Maybe you should reconsider your logic.

Nope, never get the flu vaccine.

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Pencil Neck **Joined:** 19 Jul 2009 **Posts:** 38

I got the seasonal and the H1N1 vaccines, in addition to a pretty painful series of rabies shots. Haven't had any problems from the flu vaccines. I've heard some people get sick after a flu shot, but generally they aren't as sick as getting the regular thing. H1N1 varies from case to case. My brother caught it and his only complaint was having to stay at home until CDC said he could leave. Then again there was a elementary school kid in town who died of it.

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[quote="gdbear65"]Maybe people missed the part of the article in which it states there's no proof flu vaccines work.

Helen, why not just avoid visiting the baby until the flu season has passed. I know Doctors say the mercury in the vaccine won't cause any harm, however your body cannot eliminate mercury naturally so it stays in your system forever and with successive vaccines it accumulates. The risks outweigh the benefits as no one knows if the vaccine will work nor do they know the longterm side effects.
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The baby lives in St. Louis, and I live in LA. This is my first niece!!! I have been in countdown mode since Easter when I found out!!! A herd of swine carrying the swine flu could NOT stop me from going over Christmas to see my little niece. I don't want the vaccines, but if not getting them prevents me from seeing her, I'll get as many as I need!!!!

Olympia God **Joined:** 09 Aug 2004 **Posts:** 3314

helenyeoman wrote:

The baby lives in St. Louis, and I live in LA. This is my first niece!!! I have been in countdown mode since Easter when I found out!!! A herd of swine carrying the swine flu could NOT stop me from going over Christmas to see my little niece. I don't want the vaccines, but if not getting them prevents me from seeing her, I'll get as many as I need!!!!

All the best and have a safe trip

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Getting Buffed **Joined:** 19 Sep 2007 **Posts:** 1176

Rev wrote:

I think Governments have hyped this way beyound reality.

Rev

I have an inkling that they want us to feel taken care of...so why not hype it up.

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